IBA DK world tour scoring

[FloridaDK]

I'm considering competing in the IBA DK world tour this year. Anyone know how they score DK? I watched some of the videos from 2009 and the 2010 Pipe and I saw more slashing. Not sure if that's just because the editor decided to put those shots in the video or that's the way the pros are mostly riding to get higher scores. Anyone have a copy of the IBA contest scoring rules? I can't find jack on the IBA website.

[doclach]

Hey FloridaDK,
Welcome to the forum man. always sick to have new crew in here form far away. There is no rule-book from the IBA any of us can find - prone or DK
This is the only sport I know of where this is the case. There are some pretty clued-in lads here, but probs the most qualified person to get in contact with is Clayton Pickworth at DKSessions http://www.dksessions.com/

Clay used to judge on the Super Tour (along with a lot of other comps back in the day) and is one of the best authorities on judging DK you will find around. That doesn;t mean he will know exactly where the IBA is up to on their judging ( no one really does as far as i know) but he can defo give you a good heads-up for starters.
Feast might be able to give some insight on the particular event, seeing as he came second in the DK Pipe comp (Onya Feasty!! )

Doc

[stevielloyd]

i believe the same rules would apply
"the most critical manoueveres in the most critical part of the wave"

[ATV]

For some reason they score ugly DK to Prone rollos

[Joe_Eslinger]

Grip it and rip it

[aliasmc]

For some reason they score ugly DK to Prone rollos

i'm glad they do its not the 80s anymore...

[FloridaDK]

Thanks for the info doclach! I'll check out dksessions.com. Based on your comments and a lot of other posts on this forum, I'm beginning to believe the IBA is in need of some "professionalism".

[claytonpickworth.dks]

Hey all,
all I can tell you in regards to the IBA criteria is that there isn't a seperate one just for DK, the same criteria applies to both prone and DK at WT level.
im sure if you contacted Terry or any of the IBA Board they will send you this criteria. The only hints or tips I can give you is to be in CONTROL! DK is all about control, have a look back at the oldest footage you can find and see just how Keith,Jack,Kainoa,Aka etc draw such good lines by being in CONTROL. As Stevie does mention, you still have to apply "the most critical manouveres in the most critical part of the wave" and I still believe in this. Noone wants to see bellyspins to the shore or Dk rolls to prone...period! I was in histerics when i watched the footage from last years events in europe wher guys were doing Dk rolls to prone and thinking they were killing it! People need to watch the footage of Dubb at Off The Wall in the Boogie Nation vid, now that is a proper DK Roll. If judges are scoring Dk rolls to prone , the they should be shot!

FloridaDK, if your still wanting to know about criteria or what the judges are scoring on at that particular contest, then you have the right to go and talk to the Head Judge before you surf your heat and he/she should tell you exactly what they are looking for. Your main focus should just be on CONTROL! Having a good solid stance and CONTROL will be your best friend, trust me

[FloridaDK]

Thanks claytonpickworth.dks for the awesome post! I'm with you about control being most important. And I would also add style. There are few riders that can look stylish riding DK. I will definitely talk to the head judge. Thanks for the tip!

[DKReal]

Unfortunately there is still a lack of knowledge or divide amongst riders and judges as to what falls into the category of style and technical difficulty..
A perfect example would be grab rail turns.
Alot of those uneducated in this field may not know the difference or think there is any difference at all...that is where the problem starts..
To many differing ideas on style and difficulty.

[QReuCk]

Some evolution over here:
http://www.ibaworldtour.com/news/452-dkwt-technical-meeting-1

Personal comments:
1° Nice effort Feasty to push and change things from the inside. That is much appreciated from enthousiasts like me. Especially when things look like moving in the right direction.
2° Nice to have an agreement that multi spins and DK to roll are low scoring. Over key words proposed look fine to me, as commitment when hitting the lip.
3° I am more reserved when talking about "tail release" or "waft" (whatever it means): you can easily turn a half decent turn into a tail released move without too much difficulty and in some circumstances (it may even be easier to slide the tail than to make a proper cut back). A big DK carve with no release at all should IMO score higher. Maybe it's a matter of ballance between every part of the criteria (a carve with speed, power, control and commitment would defeat a weak tail slide)?
4° For the next meeting, the relative place of DK events when associated to a prone comp could be discussed. It is critical that the contest director understands what kind of wave is best for a DK event and tries to give DK event a time slot suitable with good DK riding. The general idea would be to make sure both division run in conditions suitable for them and to take advantage of the different types of waves that is best for each stance.

Thoughts anyone?

[QReuCk]

Hey all,
I had a chance to see some DK heats in the streaming from Sintra. Doesn't look too bad and the scoring was not too much off the mark I think.
Anyhow I don't know if the criteria was really clear to every one or if they did not have time to adapt their repertoire to it, but it seems some riders still rely too much on spins and/or weak tailslides without any change in the direction of travel where they could have made something more interesting. But the judging was pretty fine and such moves were not scored.
Anyway, I noticed good scores for waves with a move were it was not clear in the webcast if the guy rided out properly or not (I think Kingy in the heat with Dubb and Marina got a 7 something for a big floater where it was not clear how he rided out). Is it me not watching correctly and failing to see that he rided out clean before kicking out or is there a consensus that provided you land your floater you don't really need to perfectly ride out of the foam after that?

[Joe_Eslinger]

I would love to see negative points awarded for grab rail cutties etc...

[claytonpickworth.dks]

Some evolution over here:
http://www.ibaworldtour.com/news/452-dkwt-technical-meeting-1

Personal comments:
1° Nice effort Feasty to push and change things from the inside. That is much appreciated from enthousiasts like me. Especially when things look like moving in the right direction.
2° Nice to have an agreement that multi spins and DK to roll are low scoring. Over key words proposed look fine to me, as commitment when hitting the lip.
3° I am more reserved when talking about "tail release" or "waft" (whatever it means): you can easily turn a half decent turn into a tail released move without too much difficulty and in some circumstances (it may even be easier to slide the tail than to make a proper cut back). A big DK carve with no release at all should IMO score higher. Maybe it's a matter of ballance between every part of the criteria (a carve with speed, power, control and commitment would defeat a weak tail slide)?
4° For the next meeting, the relative place of DK events when associated to a prone comp could be discussed. It is critical that the contest director understands what kind of wave is best for a DK event and tries to give DK event a time slot suitable with good DK riding. The general idea would be to make sure both division run in conditions suitable for them and to take advantage of the different types of waves that is best for each stance.

Thoughts anyone?

Ill try and be as positive as I can here. yes it is a positive step that was taken to have this "technical meeting" and its great that whoever was present have noticed the rules/criteria need to be set for DK. Unfortunately thats about as positive as I get! These meetings or gatherings should not only involve any rider commpeting on the tour,but also it should involve the best riders in the world and ANY contest directors that may be looking at hosting a WDKT event or just a DK event in general. Why? For the simple fact that a room full of 8-10 guys cannot speak for the whole world IMO. If the world tour wants to get serious and throw around ideas and rules then they should take their time and involve as many people as possible. Ever heard of the phrase "measure twice, cut once". To me personally, there are a bunch of riders that would follow the tour in a heartbeat IF it was controlled correctly by its own DK riders board and the IBA. Its obvious that all the prizemoney is in european countries right now but the IBA need to seriously look at contests in NZ, Aust and maybe even Indo, where things are a little cheaper and alot more accessable for riders. Everybody knows there is f-all money in bodyboarding for DK riders which obviously makes it hard to travel the whole tour,but spread the events out and the database will build.

The other point is that we should recruit some DK judges.....we dont have any of them?

[Joe_Eslinger]

I would love to volunteer myself for being a world tour dk judge haha