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Re: Surf Forecasting

Postby meaksy » Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:51 am

tom__ wrote:all i no is that Low pressure system most of the time means shitty weather and not bad swell weather it be not rideable its there!


Thats why the synoptic charts are usefull. All you need to know is that air moves anticlockwise around a high pressure system and clockkwise around a low pressure system. So when the you see the weather map check out the pressure systems and follow around the lines (very technical term ha) and see which way the winds are flowing across your coast. Youll be able to tell pretty quick if its gonna be onshore or offshore.

Having said that there are local factors to take into consideration such as mountain ranges producing breif periods of offshores in the morning or seabreezes ruining an otherwise perfect day.

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Re: Surf Forecasting

Postby meaksy » Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:58 pm

Here is another swell forcasting model that might be useful to some of you, Its pretty good for south australia and gives wind predicions aswell so assume it would be good for other states also

http://www.surfline.com/surfline/foreca ... uthcentral
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Re: Surf Forecasting

Postby southern_rewards » Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:15 am

SHHHHHHHH THATS my secret!!!!! hahaha
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Re: Surf Forecasting

Postby steve wall » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:23 pm

i hate north swells in sydney.
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Re: Surf Forecasting

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Re: Surf Forecasting

Postby steve wall » Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:46 pm

almost none of my favourite little waves work on north swell, my local beachies are either shit or filled with standups. i'm not really that keen on lefts anyway ha
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Re: Surf Forecasting

Postby brad » Mon Feb 02, 2009 9:09 pm

The total opposite for me all my local waves love N swells, and lefts are my fav
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Re: Surf Forecasting

Postby P.G@tibir » Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:29 pm

ideally we need ne winds but if its north im stoked, i like rights more but i did land a spin on a left so im happy with either
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Re: Surf Forecasting

Postby caspian » Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:52 pm

questionnnnnn:

What exactly is the difference between long period and short period swells? Why are long period swells considered to be more powerful? I have no idea.

Finally: how exactly do you measure wave height? My guesses regarding wave height are just me being relative to what surf mags, etc. say. For example: I'd say an 8 foot wave in a surf mag looks at least twice as tall as the surfer inside the barrel. Shouldn't that be 10-12 foot, then? Or is the wave size measured before it starts feathering?
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Re: Surf Forecasting

Postby southern_rewards » Sun Mar 08, 2009 1:26 pm

The larger the period, the further a swells fetch (distance that the wind travells across the oceans surface in the same direction) is and the more energy is in the waves. This can be most noticed when surfing protected corners in bays that are not open to direct ocean energy. you might get an open ocean 8 second period swell at 8 feet. then the next swell from the same direction might be only 6 feet but with a 12 second period. The 1st swell will only show up really small on the protectded corners of bays, but the second will show up much larger than the 1st even though the swell is smaller outside in the open ocean.

Swells with more energy (period) break faster, thicker, and they refract harder and further off headlands and points into closed corners...
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Re: Surf Forecasting

Postby NtripleB » Sun Mar 29, 2009 7:44 pm

ok
so
im very new to this
and
the lows produce the swell right?
and the lower the L the larger the swell
e.g most lows are around 1020
so.. whats the best guide for knowing how big it will be at ur local?
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Re: Surf Forecasting

Postby trevi » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:46 pm

I always check the wind direction before leaving home and base my calls on that....

the most reliable method is to go and stand down there and actually look at it....
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Re: Surf Forecasting

Postby westham123 » Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:46 pm

There is a good book called " surf science" .
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Re: Surf Forecasting

Postby meaksy » Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:56 pm

NtripleB wrote:ok
so
im very new to this
and
the lows produce the swell right?
and the lower the L the larger the swell
e.g most lows are around 1020
so.. whats the best guide for knowing how big it will be at ur local?


A very breif rundown for you,
yes lows do produce swell, not always the case that the lower the low the larger the swell.
WIND is what makes the swell, Low pressure systems are responsible for this. The Law of thermodynamics is that air will move from a region of high pressure to a region of low pressure, Ie air rushes out of a region to fill the space left by a low pressure system hence why low pressure systems are accompanies by winds, A good way to remember this is next time you Fart understand that the pressure inside your bowels exceeded the pressure outside your sphincter therefore air rushed out in an attempt to re balance the pressure inside and outside :lol: . same thing happens outside, sun heats up air- hot air is less dense therefore it rises- cooler air then rushes to fills in the space left by the rising warm air.

When you look at a weather map you will see all these funky lines, they are called isobars and represent the atmospheric pressure, generally the closer the bars are together the lower the pressure and more wind there will be. Air rmoves clockwise around a low pressure system and anticlockwise around a high pressure system. So when you look at the map follow the isobars around and you will be able to tell a number of things
the most important are
1) whether the wind will be offshore at you beach
2) wheether there has been a low pressure system off the coast that may have produced the swell.

check out the ocean if you see a low pressure system in your areas swell window then follow the isobars around and see if there is an extended rregion of strong winds blowing towards you beach. the size of the swell will be determined by a number of things
1)the wind strength
2)the wind direction
4)the duration of the weather event-how long are the winds blowing for
3)the fetch, or the size of the area that has these winds blowing over. ie a tight low pressure system may have strong winds blowing east over a short fetch which may possibly lead to a swell the same size as a low pressure sysstem that had lighter winds but blew for longer or over a longer distance.

So the best guide is to keep an eye on the charts and see how low the low is, how large the fetch is and how long the sytem will last. couple that with what local winds are doing at your beach and you will have an idea of what condidtions will be like. Depending on where you live these the ease of exactly predicting swell size is very differrent. for example where i live in south oz we get swells that are produced from weather systems SW of western australia so these swells take a long time to get to the Adelaide coast, along the way they degrade in size or can even be blown flat by opposing winds from weather systems closer to the coast. QLD seems to get much shorter range swells that are produced fairly close to the coasts and take less time to reach the coast and lose less size.

thats where swell models come into play, unless youve been watching the weather charts for a very long time and know the ins and outs of these weather systems your better off looking at swell models such as surfline or http://www.lajollasurf.org/gblpac.html which will predict the swell for you. However knowing the above details i set out for you and using bouy data you can then double check the swell models closer to the expected arrival date and make sure the swell is around and the winds are favourable for your chosen destination.

hope this helps, happy forcasting
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Re: Surf Forecasting

Postby NtripleB » Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:32 pm

yeh
nice write up man
helps heaps :)
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